121: Jason Malouin – Creating a Transformational Experience & Communicating With Integrity

May 30, 2024

“The deeper I can understand myself and the overall human condition, the deeper I can pull things out of my clients and the people that I photograph.”

JASON MALOUIN

Hey everyone! It’s Sally here, from Studio Ninja. Today’s episode is all about Lisa Devlin – founder of Photography Farm!

Lisa Devlin is a photographer living on the south coast of England. For over 10 years, she has worked as a music industry photographer, before switching to weddings. When not shooting, Lisa runs Photography Farm training other wedding photographers both online and in person. She’s super busy but uses the power of customisable automations to deliver a personal service without devoting all her time to work.

Check out some of the biggest points from Jason’s interview below:

  • Importance of body language and trust
  • Focus on business side of photography
  • Understanding Audiences

  • Choosing your niche
  • Problem-solving in business
  • Using LinkedIn effectively

  • Importance of empathy
  • The importance of putting yourself in your clients shoes
  • Technical Competence and Interpersonal Skills

  • Differentiation in a Noisy Market

How can photographers or creatives focus on delivering an experience and a memorable statement for their clients, rather than just a service?

 With the rise of AI, it’s more important than ever to figure out how we can add more value to our communities. Personally, I’ve done a lot of headshots, but soon, that might become a thing of the past. This realization pushed me to finally embrace what I truly love and believe in.

This shift wasn’t driven by fear but served as a catalyst, pushing me towards where I wanted to be. I heard a long time ago that people pay $97 for information but will pay $9,000 for transformation, and that really resonated with me. For a long time, I questioned what I could offer, what transformation I could provide. This required a lot of soul-searching.

Along the way, I’ve experimented with my audience, testing different content to see what resonates. One topic I love is body language, and I even run workshops on it. One workshop, “The Anatomy of Trust,” focuses on building trust through body language and nonverbal communication. However, this still felt like a commodity, not a true transformation.

To differentiate our work from becoming a commodity, it’s essential to dive into the business side of our craft. I initially thought I would be a photographer in business, but I realized I needed to be a business person who does photography. This meant focusing on aspects that weren’t the most exciting but were crucial for sustainability—like building relationships, networking, and creating a community.

When it comes to creating an experience, it boils down to solving a problem for your audience. First, you need to identify your audience clearly. If you think you work for everybody, reconsider. Niching, or niching as it’s called in Australia, is essential. Properly identifying your audience and deeply understanding who they are, what they need, and what they aim to accomplish with your work is crucial.

Tell us more about the 3 Magic Emails!

Well, I have a little mini course on this over at Photography Farm where it’s just a one hour workshop going into this, showing people how I break it down in Studio Ninja and what they are. But I would say the three magic emails are this, the first email is the auto responder, which refers back to that in joke, that personal connection that I’ve tried to capture.

The second one is the actual fuller response where I talk. So any information they give me about their wedding, I’m like, “This sounds great.” If I’ve been to the venue before, I will send them a previous gallery, make sure that they’ve seen something that’s relevant. If I haven’t been to the venue before I pick out a similar-ish kind of wedding, make sure that they’ve definitely seen a full gallery at that point. I again refer back to the pricing page so that they’ve got that again and that’s super, super clear.

And then it finishes up with sending them a link to do this, to chat on Zoom where I go into a full sales, scripted call. So everything I’m trying to funnel them into is that Zoom call. The third email in the sequence only comes into play if they haven’t booked that Zoom call with you and it’s a wedding that you really want to shoot.

So I’ve got some ideas that I break down in my workshop about ways to make that email stand out because what most photographers will do at that stage is just send an email saying, “Hey, just making sure that you got my brochure or my prices. If you’ve got any questions let me know. I’ve currently got your date free and I’d love to work with you.” It’s always the same. It’s the same.

Yes, which is fine and it’s nice and it’s polite, but it’s not doing anything. If we were all in a race of horses, this is how I like to picture it, what’s the thing that’s going to nudge your nose across the finish line? What is it when they’re in that period of maybe two weeks of considering photographers to book, what’s going to pull you to the front of the queue?

So that third email can be really vital in that process if they’re not horrified by your price, however you’ve structured it, they like your website, they like your images, but they feel like that about a few other people as well. What can you put in that email? And it’s about bringing it back around to whatever information that they’ve given you that you can expand upon in terms of connection with that potential.

How do you use LinkedIn to boost your business?

Yeah, actually, for the most thought-provoking, current content that I’m putting out right now, it’s really on LinkedIn. I’ve found an outlet and a kind of a micro platform within the larger platform that’s really working for me right now. There’s a cool newsletter feature within LinkedIn that is really working for me and getting me a lot of traction. So I’m actually using that.

That’s where the current thinking, this differentiation stuff, and really being able to articulate your unique vision and value, you know, really being able to show up and describe why you, why it really matters to me, and aligning that with the people I’m speaking to to make sure it’s a match. I think that’s probably the most useful content that anybody listening might want to tune into. So go subscribe to that over on LinkedIn.

Thank you!

Thanks again to you all for joining us and a huge thanks to Lisa for joining us on the show!

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That’s it for me this week, I hope you all enjoyed this episode.

See you soon,

Sally

About Lisa Devlin

Lisa Devlin is a photographer living on the south coast of England. For over 10 years, she has worked as a music industry photographer, before switching to weddings. When not shooting, Lisa runs Photography Farm training other wedding photographers both online and in person. She’s super busy but uses the power of customisable automations to deliver a personal service without devoting all her time to work.